1 00:00:00,790 --> 00:00:07,320 [Music] 2 00:00:12,230 --> 00:00:09,370 [Applause] 3 00:00:16,010 --> 00:00:12,240 good afternoon everyone and thanks again 4 00:00:19,999 --> 00:00:16,020 for staying all the time to Friday 5 00:00:24,830 --> 00:00:20,009 afternoon so what I'm gonna talk this 6 00:00:28,810 --> 00:00:24,840 afternoon is about applying brine 7 00:00:33,260 --> 00:00:28,820 stability models to the existence and of 8 00:00:35,110 --> 00:00:33,270 special regions on mass so and I'm very 9 00:00:38,930 --> 00:00:35,120 happy that Herrmann did such a great 10 00:00:40,970 --> 00:00:38,940 introduction about brand stability and 11 00:00:45,140 --> 00:00:40,980 modeling and phase diagrams therefore I 12 00:00:47,690 --> 00:00:45,150 don't have to do it so very quickly a 13 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:47,700 little bit of background about special 14 00:00:55,060 --> 00:00:50,510 regions which we are defined in that 15 00:00:58,460 --> 00:00:55,070 report and paper on astrobiology as 16 00:01:01,460 --> 00:00:58,470 regions where potential forward 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:01,470 contamination could happen in the case 18 00:01:07,069 --> 00:01:04,170 we would have a crash of wrong landing 19 00:01:11,539 --> 00:01:07,079 on improperly decontaminated spacecraft 20 00:01:13,730 --> 00:01:11,549 so it was defined by basically the 21 00:01:17,389 --> 00:01:13,740 intercept which corresponded to three 22 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:17,399 research groups between the chemistry 23 00:01:21,050 --> 00:01:19,170 and thermodynamics about liquid 24 00:01:24,919 --> 00:01:21,060 stability information on the surface of 25 00:01:27,289 --> 00:01:24,929 mass the biology side with the 26 00:01:30,469 --> 00:01:27,299 temperature and relative humidity / 27 00:01:33,830 --> 00:01:30,479 water activity requirements for life as 28 00:01:35,929 --> 00:01:33,840 we know it and potential so that was 29 00:01:39,230 --> 00:01:35,939 more the biologists and some of you 30 00:01:41,899 --> 00:01:39,240 might be in the room today and the 31 00:01:45,709 --> 00:01:41,909 geomorphology is then people doing 32 00:01:49,370 --> 00:01:45,719 mapping about the potential sources of 33 00:01:51,769 --> 00:01:49,380 what at the surface of mass so in that 34 00:01:54,139 --> 00:01:51,779 talk because we've probably already 35 00:01:55,399 --> 00:01:54,149 heard a lot about that one also it seems 36 00:02:00,319 --> 00:01:55,409 to me that still a lot of uncertainty 37 00:02:04,489 --> 00:02:00,329 there I'm gonna focus mostly on that 38 00:02:06,649 --> 00:02:04,499 side so for example and of course we can 39 00:02:09,260 --> 00:02:06,659 easily imagine it was very hard to 40 00:02:12,530 --> 00:02:09,270 compile all those results into a single 41 00:02:14,449 --> 00:02:12,540 map so that's also I'm focusing on that 42 00:02:20,149 --> 00:02:14,459 on that side because not being really 43 00:02:22,430 --> 00:02:20,159 well explored so far and let's okay so 44 00:02:26,090 --> 00:02:22,440 here is an example of one of those maps 45 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:26,100 one's about depth of potential water ice 46 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:28,530 at the surface of mass and how it would 47 00:02:33,940 --> 00:02:31,050 be eventually accessible so you would go 48 00:02:37,990 --> 00:02:33,950 from very shallow or subset of 49 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:38,000 subsurface ice in the polar latitude to 50 00:02:43,940 --> 00:02:40,890 disconnected shallow ice within a few 51 00:02:46,310 --> 00:02:43,950 meters deep to almost no ice closer to 52 00:02:48,230 --> 00:02:46,320 the equator so that's just an example of 53 00:02:50,390 --> 00:02:48,240 the type of maps that was produced in 54 00:02:53,390 --> 00:02:50,400 that in that report try to understand 55 00:02:59,090 --> 00:02:53,400 where we should or should not land and 56 00:03:00,980 --> 00:02:59,100 be very careful about ok so we've 57 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:00,990 already seen that one but it's a quick 58 00:03:06,230 --> 00:03:02,970 reminder so we have a few very few 59 00:03:07,970 --> 00:03:06,240 evidences of liquid water unmask and I'm 60 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:07,980 not gonna go in detail but you have 61 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:10,650 those droplets and the Phoenix lander 62 00:03:15,380 --> 00:03:13,650 stirred and the famous now ourselves 63 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:15,390 also there's been a lot of discussion in 64 00:03:22,610 --> 00:03:18,650 recent years if they are actually 65 00:03:24,890 --> 00:03:22,620 related to liquid or not and there is a 66 00:03:26,330 --> 00:03:24,900 very for those of you might not be aware 67 00:03:28,190 --> 00:03:26,340 I have to mention it there is a 68 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:28,200 significant literature now about the 69 00:03:33,250 --> 00:03:30,810 fact that could be entirely dry froze so 70 00:03:38,030 --> 00:03:33,260 it's very important to keep that in mind 71 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:38,040 so here is what was ended up being 72 00:03:44,150 --> 00:03:41,310 defined as special region from the that 73 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:44,160 I'm gonna focus on so a special region 74 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:48,330 was defined as any temperature above 255 75 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:51,090 Kelvin and water activity above point 76 00:03:56,509 --> 00:03:53,970 six and to be put some margin on it 77 00:04:00,199 --> 00:03:56,519 there was an extension to the uncertain 78 00:04:03,470 --> 00:04:00,209 regions which was temperature above 250 79 00:04:05,890 --> 00:04:03,480 and activity of water above 0.5 and that 80 00:04:08,330 --> 00:04:05,900 was based on the literature about 81 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:08,340 extremophiles showing for example cell 82 00:04:16,670 --> 00:04:11,610 division at 258 may double metabolism 83 00:04:18,430 --> 00:04:16,680 down to 240 cell growth point 75 in a 84 00:04:22,330 --> 00:04:18,440 salt environment because I'm aware of 85 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:22,340 the cell growth in that point six 86 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:25,530 sucrose solution so the day we find a 87 00:04:31,670 --> 00:04:29,850 sucrose lake on math I wanna see that so 88 00:04:34,130 --> 00:04:31,680 anyway there is a large 89 00:04:36,110 --> 00:04:34,140 summary a very extensive summary of all 90 00:04:38,030 --> 00:04:36,120 that ETA ritual again in that people 91 00:04:43,219 --> 00:04:38,040 I'm not gonna go deeper but we took 92 00:04:46,790 --> 00:04:43,229 those boundaries in that study so then 93 00:04:49,129 --> 00:04:46,800 we try to understand what's the 94 00:04:51,379 --> 00:04:49,139 stability of liquid brines 95 00:04:53,719 --> 00:04:51,389 and mass so in our previous work we 96 00:04:56,710 --> 00:04:53,729 focused on what we do stabilize bright 97 00:05:00,980 --> 00:04:56,720 so there are three processes evaporation 98 00:05:06,890 --> 00:05:00,990 boiling and freezing so we took like two 99 00:05:09,260 --> 00:05:06,900 extreme cases the surface so and which 100 00:05:11,540 --> 00:05:09,270 is characterized by a potential maximum 101 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:11,550 so that's the temperature profile in the 102 00:05:16,580 --> 00:05:13,770 subsurface and at the surface you can 103 00:05:18,890 --> 00:05:16,590 reach maximum temperature so you can 104 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:18,900 pretty much melt anywhere at the surface 105 00:05:25,010 --> 00:05:21,449 with two major of caveats number one 106 00:05:28,159 --> 00:05:25,020 you're going to significantly boil in 107 00:05:30,010 --> 00:05:28,169 the equatorial regions and evaporate 108 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:30,020 pretty much everywhere else 109 00:05:35,270 --> 00:05:33,570 okay and with pretty fast evaporation 110 00:05:38,510 --> 00:05:35,280 rates in the order of several 111 00:05:41,180 --> 00:05:38,520 millimeters per year so considering that 112 00:05:45,230 --> 00:05:41,190 mass characterizing precipitable microns 113 00:05:49,370 --> 00:05:45,240 that would go away very quickly and in 114 00:05:52,820 --> 00:05:49,380 the subsurface where you have average 115 00:05:55,490 --> 00:05:52,830 temperature now you have two limits the 116 00:05:57,700 --> 00:05:55,500 northern the high latitudes would be 117 00:06:02,390 --> 00:05:57,710 permanently frozen and you could only 118 00:06:07,100 --> 00:06:02,400 melt in the more equatorial regions okay 119 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:07,110 but that earlier model didn't take into 120 00:06:13,070 --> 00:06:09,210 account the amount of water vapor in the 121 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:13,080 atmosphere and we know that from water 122 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:15,930 vapor we can generate the liquid sense 123 00:06:21,890 --> 00:06:18,570 we can have water liquid brine sorry 124 00:06:25,390 --> 00:06:21,900 potentially stable at the surface so we 125 00:06:28,070 --> 00:06:25,400 used global circulation model that is 126 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:28,080 summarized here and I'm not going to go 127 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:31,050 too much in detail about that you can 128 00:06:37,670 --> 00:06:34,770 ask my quota for that but we try to 129 00:06:40,310 --> 00:06:37,680 simulate the temperature and reach 130 00:06:43,909 --> 00:06:40,320 humidity at the surface and characterize 131 00:06:47,029 --> 00:06:43,919 any time the temperature would be above 132 00:06:49,159 --> 00:06:47,039 the eutectic and relative humidity would 133 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:49,169 be above the deliquescent relative 134 00:06:52,070 --> 00:06:49,710 humidity 135 00:06:56,140 --> 00:06:52,080 he had the same eutectic at the same 136 00:07:00,860 --> 00:06:56,150 time so here is what I show on that map 137 00:07:04,370 --> 00:07:00,870 so anywhere it's colored you pretty much 138 00:07:06,830 --> 00:07:04,380 Candida quiz okay and that's for calcium 139 00:07:09,860 --> 00:07:06,840 perchlorate we took the most extreme 140 00:07:11,930 --> 00:07:09,870 salt the one that everybody seems to 141 00:07:15,260 --> 00:07:11,940 like for good reason 142 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:15,270 so anywhere it's Colorado you can delete 143 00:07:22,460 --> 00:07:18,450 quest must leave at very high latitude 144 00:07:25,580 --> 00:07:22,470 and that shows you the percent of the 145 00:07:27,980 --> 00:07:25,590 year at which liquid is stable so you 146 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:27,990 can see that it never goes above three 147 00:07:32,980 --> 00:07:30,210 three and a half percent of the year 148 00:07:36,590 --> 00:07:32,990 which is extremely small so we are gonna 149 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:36,600 it's gonna correspond to some hours in 150 00:07:41,900 --> 00:07:39,330 some favorable days at the right season 151 00:07:43,970 --> 00:07:41,910 so and it's almost never really 152 00:07:47,330 --> 00:07:43,980 continuous amounts of time it's very 153 00:07:51,290 --> 00:07:47,340 intermittent but you can you can request 154 00:07:53,590 --> 00:07:51,300 so one of the major reason for that 155 00:07:55,970 --> 00:07:53,600 behavior is what a man showed is that 156 00:07:59,590 --> 00:07:55,980 anti-correlation between creative 157 00:08:03,440 --> 00:07:59,600 humidity and temperature when it's warm 158 00:08:06,140 --> 00:08:03,450 it's very dry and when it's you need 159 00:08:08,390 --> 00:08:06,150 it's extremely cold so it's you have to 160 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:08,400 have the few points where you have the 161 00:08:16,450 --> 00:08:11,130 right balance to be able to dedicate but 162 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:16,460 it's possible now so here is a 163 00:08:23,540 --> 00:08:19,410 temperature of a swiss water activity 164 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:23,550 ice line summarizing all the salt and i 165 00:08:27,290 --> 00:08:25,770 showed you here the boundaries we found 166 00:08:31,220 --> 00:08:27,300 because we mapped that from multiple 167 00:08:33,860 --> 00:08:31,230 salts and basically anything below 168 00:08:36,590 --> 00:08:33,870 calcium chloride so calcium cod would be 169 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:36,600 to 20 Kelvin point six relative humidity 170 00:08:42,530 --> 00:08:39,450 or water activity below that you can 171 00:08:47,540 --> 00:08:42,540 potentially daily quest unmask anything 172 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:47,550 above will not the request so now that 173 00:08:52,850 --> 00:08:50,310 we have those parameters we try to look 174 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:52,860 a bit more in terms of habitability so 175 00:09:00,170 --> 00:08:56,310 yeah I'm sorry for it so my most 176 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:00,180 complicated side so that one shows when 177 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:02,810 we have in those daily questing regions 178 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:05,450 but can be the maximum water activity 179 00:09:12,250 --> 00:09:07,730 and you can see that we can get water 180 00:09:14,769 --> 00:09:12,260 activities up to one sounds good but the 181 00:09:18,220 --> 00:09:14,779 temperatures are extremely cold okay 182 00:09:20,079 --> 00:09:18,230 they are around 200 Kelvin and the other 183 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:20,089 side we did the exact opposite we looked 184 00:09:25,300 --> 00:09:22,910 at what the maximum solution temperature 185 00:09:30,550 --> 00:09:25,310 and you can see that it stays fairly 186 00:09:34,030 --> 00:09:30,560 cold around 210 maybe up to 215 Kelvin 187 00:09:36,730 --> 00:09:34,040 and in the meantime the maximum water 188 00:09:40,990 --> 00:09:36,740 activity at those temperature is going 189 00:09:44,410 --> 00:09:41,000 to be around 0.4 0.7 so it's gonna 190 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:44,420 remain also really small so that allows 191 00:09:49,420 --> 00:09:46,730 us to bracket the habitability 192 00:09:52,210 --> 00:09:49,430 conditions to speech the potential 193 00:09:55,329 --> 00:09:52,220 special regions in those any the 194 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:55,339 requesting areas and basically that's 195 00:10:01,810 --> 00:09:57,770 what we get when we try to plot those 196 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:01,820 and sustain condition nothing so that's 197 00:10:05,140 --> 00:10:03,890 just I know it sounded obvious from the 198 00:10:07,630 --> 00:10:05,150 previous slide but that's just to 199 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:07,640 confirm it visually you can never get 200 00:10:14,140 --> 00:10:10,370 the uncertain regions and let alone 201 00:10:17,550 --> 00:10:14,150 special regions so now I have to mention 202 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:17,560 that there are a couple of small 203 00:10:23,530 --> 00:10:21,290 cavities to to mention number one you 204 00:10:26,470 --> 00:10:23,540 can admit a stable liquid and that was 205 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:26,480 like that very good talk from Andrew 206 00:10:35,260 --> 00:10:29,530 this morning showing the potential for 207 00:10:37,470 --> 00:10:35,270 metastable and super cooled liquid okay 208 00:10:42,910 --> 00:10:37,480 I'm almost done 209 00:10:44,590 --> 00:10:42,920 that's serious scary anyway so you can 210 00:10:46,750 --> 00:10:44,600 have like metastable liquid at much 211 00:10:48,820 --> 00:10:46,760 lower temperature especially when you go 212 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:48,830 down in the realm of perchlorates you 213 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:50,930 can very easy another of sourcing with 214 00:10:56,050 --> 00:10:53,330 those eutectics you can easily supercool 215 00:10:58,060 --> 00:10:56,060 them but you still end up with the same 216 00:10:59,980 --> 00:10:58,070 issue you never gonna get to the high 217 00:11:03,130 --> 00:10:59,990 temperature high relative humidity you 218 00:11:05,220 --> 00:11:03,140 need an a van you can also use complex 219 00:11:08,620 --> 00:11:05,230 brine so here is a binary mixture 220 00:11:11,140 --> 00:11:08,630 showing a lower relative humidity than 221 00:11:13,449 --> 00:11:11,150 for each individual salt and with that 222 00:11:16,450 --> 00:11:13,459 complex multiple salt you can even go to 223 00:11:19,810 --> 00:11:16,460 lower temperature 224 00:11:22,420 --> 00:11:19,820 below well below 200 Kelvin but again so 225 00:11:25,180 --> 00:11:22,430 that will extend the stability field of 226 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:25,190 liquid bronze at the surface of mass at 227 00:11:33,790 --> 00:11:28,610 lower latitude but they will never cross 228 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:33,800 the special regions requirements so here 229 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:36,410 and the final one that I have to mention 230 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:37,910 is that we use the global circulation 231 00:11:44,230 --> 00:11:40,330 models we cannot totally rule out 232 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:44,240 potential very localized effects but 233 00:11:53,980 --> 00:11:46,310 that would be have to be modeled on a 234 00:11:56,740 --> 00:11:53,990 case by case space case by case and the 235 00:11:59,380 --> 00:11:56,750 two honey sauce in situ sauce we have a 236 00:12:00,220 --> 00:11:59,390 Phoenix and MSL and the steam show the 237 00:12:02,980 --> 00:12:00,230 same wizard 238 00:12:06,490 --> 00:12:02,990 one at the pole one at the equator we 239 00:12:08,740 --> 00:12:06,500 get the same result we cross the study 240 00:12:10,390 --> 00:12:08,750 Bay maybe the stability field of calcium 241 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:10,400 perchlorate but we never cross the 242 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:15,010 special regions so the my final 243 00:12:20,020 --> 00:12:16,850 conclusions that they request is 244 00:12:23,820 --> 00:12:20,030 perfectly possible unmask and only for 245 00:12:26,830 --> 00:12:23,830 the lowest eutectic salts like at least 246 00:12:29,710 --> 00:12:26,840 calcium chloride mostly calcium 247 00:12:33,550 --> 00:12:29,720 perchlorate and that special and 248 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:33,560 uncertain regions probably do not exist 249 00:12:38,590 --> 00:12:35,930 and that contaminates forward 250 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:38,600 contamination at least of mass should be 251 00:12:43,140 --> 00:12:41,090 extremely limited and that mass is 252 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:43,150 particularly efficient that self called 253 00:13:00,400 --> 00:12:51,410 decontaminating thank you we have time 254 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:03,760 Carole Stoker from NASA Ames your 255 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:05,529 conclusion really is only relevant for 256 00:13:13,210 --> 00:13:11,330 modern conditions yes the temperatures 257 00:13:15,610 --> 00:13:13,220 in the northern plains and the ground 258 00:13:17,769 --> 00:13:15,620 ice in the northern plains is very 259 00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:17,779 different at high obliquity and even 260 00:13:22,030 --> 00:13:19,910 somewhat different at the opposite phase 261 00:13:24,579 --> 00:13:22,040 of perihelion mm-hmm so have you 262 00:13:26,050 --> 00:13:24,589 considered that not yet but yeah that's 263 00:13:28,630 --> 00:13:26,060 something we wanna medela 264 00:13:30,670 --> 00:13:28,640 high ubiquity in particular because it 265 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:30,680 would generate much higher partial 266 00:13:34,630 --> 00:13:32,330 pressure of water in the atmosphere and 267 00:13:37,180 --> 00:13:34,640 a for higher relative humidity and a 268 00:13:39,130 --> 00:13:37,190 different temperature field at the 269 00:13:43,139 --> 00:13:39,140 surface that so data that would be very 270 00:13:51,310 --> 00:13:45,930 Herman Martinez University of Michigan 271 00:13:53,370 --> 00:13:51,320 how how did you model the relative 272 00:13:55,780 --> 00:13:53,380 humidity at the surface like using 273 00:13:59,500 --> 00:13:55,790 orbital measurements of the precipitable 274 00:14:03,040 --> 00:13:59,510 water content or how land and then if 275 00:14:04,930 --> 00:14:03,050 there was an odd sort of regolith in so 276 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:04,940 could you give some details of the 277 00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:07,850 modeling to calculate relative humidity 278 00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:13,630 on the entire map if I remember well the 279 00:14:20,199 --> 00:14:17,200 global circulation model Odyssey is 280 00:14:22,810 --> 00:14:20,209 partial pressure of water a mixing ratio 281 00:14:24,699 --> 00:14:22,820 that is being converted then in reiative 282 00:14:29,050 --> 00:14:24,709 humidity using the temperature at the 283 00:14:30,670 --> 00:14:29,060 surface and I'm guessing my question is 284 00:14:32,769 --> 00:14:30,680 like I don't know it makes any 285 00:14:34,329 --> 00:14:32,779 difference whether the global model 286 00:14:36,930 --> 00:14:34,339 considers you know like an interactive 287 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:36,940 regolith you know if it considers 288 00:14:41,260 --> 00:14:39,290 absorption desorption or if it's just 289 00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:41,270 like orbital measurements of the Colin 290 00:14:45,220 --> 00:14:43,310 abundance of water which which I'm 291 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:45,230 guessing definitely like the GCM will 292 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:47,450 will need that and then it is to built 293 00:14:52,510 --> 00:14:50,510 it or do you do you know there's an 294 00:14:54,340 --> 00:14:52,520 interactive regolith or if that do not 295 00:14:56,050 --> 00:14:54,350 any different now we don't consider yet 296 00:15:01,300 --> 00:14:56,060 an interactive Regulus because we 297 00:15:04,210 --> 00:15:01,310 haven't done subsurface water vapor I 298 00:15:06,819 --> 00:15:04,220 mean billowed we just considered the top 299 00:15:08,819 --> 00:15:06,829 not surface of the regolith so in that 300 00:15:10,780 --> 00:15:08,829 case that's option is not particularly 301 00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:10,790 significant it's just if you have like 302 00:15:14,850 --> 00:15:13,120 grains of perchlorate at the surface 303 00:15:17,239 --> 00:15:14,860 if you go deeper in the subsurface yes 304 00:15:22,590 --> 00:15:17,249 you have to take into account adsorption 305 00:15:25,739 --> 00:15:22,600 thank you very much hey Alex I like both 306 00:15:27,869 --> 00:15:25,749 NASA for it so I'm kind of new to the 307 00:15:30,269 --> 00:15:27,879 stability diagrams of perchlorate you 308 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:30,279 know I'm still learning you know so just 309 00:15:34,829 --> 00:15:31,930 a simple question right you know so 310 00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:34,839 let's take location Phoenix location 311 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:37,180 right you have show subsurface ice there 312 00:15:41,460 --> 00:15:39,370 at listen you know I see permafrost 313 00:15:42,119 --> 00:15:41,470 right you know some three to five 314 00:15:44,749 --> 00:15:42,129 centimeters 315 00:15:48,929 --> 00:15:44,759 even in some locations mm-hmm right 316 00:15:50,939 --> 00:15:48,939 during Northern Hemisphere summer you 317 00:15:53,489 --> 00:15:50,949 know during specific month you know 318 00:15:55,439 --> 00:15:53,499 during very specific days temperature 319 00:15:58,829 --> 00:15:55,449 certainly raises about 250 320 00:16:02,059 --> 00:15:58,839 that's locations so you according to you 321 00:16:04,379 --> 00:16:02,069 does that mean during those hours you 322 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:04,389 know during the second month of July 323 00:16:08,429 --> 00:16:05,649 whatever that you know the highest 324 00:16:10,170 --> 00:16:08,439 temperature where it is the water 325 00:16:14,910 --> 00:16:10,180 activity is going to be always below 326 00:16:18,239 --> 00:16:14,920 point six is that I mean there is gonna 327 00:16:24,059 --> 00:16:18,249 be some cases I mean if but let's be 328 00:16:27,809 --> 00:16:24,069 group how do you like and if so why that 329 00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:27,819 one you mean I'm not I don't know which 330 00:16:32,429 --> 00:16:30,160 one is subsurface it's all surface or no 331 00:16:34,259 --> 00:16:32,439 that's at the surface so if you have 332 00:16:36,660 --> 00:16:34,269 like three five centimeters you have to 333 00:16:38,819 --> 00:16:36,670 adjust those maps yes okay yeah because 334 00:16:41,489 --> 00:16:38,829 we have to integrate the evolution of 335 00:16:43,079 --> 00:16:41,499 temperature in the subsurface right but 336 00:16:46,259 --> 00:16:43,089 then you're gonna have a dampen of the 337 00:16:49,379 --> 00:16:46,269 maximum temperature right so the you 338 00:16:51,419 --> 00:16:49,389 have to realize that's three you can 339 00:16:53,429 --> 00:16:51,429 have plenty of cases where you're gonna 340 00:16:55,650 --> 00:16:53,439 go way above in temperature but that 341 00:16:58,379 --> 00:16:55,660 usually going humidity is going to drop 342 00:17:00,809 --> 00:16:58,389 down and if you go into subsurface your 343 00:17:02,059 --> 00:17:00,819 maximum available temperature is going 344 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:02,069 to be lower 345 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:04,089 yeah it just seems to me like you know 346 00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:06,610 you have like this compact icy 347 00:17:11,789 --> 00:17:08,799 subsurface and then you have loose on 348 00:17:15,149 --> 00:17:11,799 soil you know there are some you know 349 00:17:17,220 --> 00:17:15,159 storm comes in you expect you you all of 350 00:17:20,340 --> 00:17:17,230 a sudden exposing that icy permafrost I 351 00:17:22,199 --> 00:17:20,350 have troubles visualizing that you're 352 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:22,209 not going to have Brian Branson there if 353 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:24,370 you have perchlorate and if you have icy 354 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:25,450 surface 355 00:17:30,570 --> 00:17:27,490 so that that's as I said you can always 356 00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:30,580 have very localized effect if I maybe 357 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:32,820 when I think we should save this for 358 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:34,690 discussion later and we need to go to